From: satanservice.org@boboroshi (SOD of the CoE)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:45:11 GMT
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Janette/Jane/Jani/Jan:
#># The reverence of Satan is aptly the rude bottom of the reverence
#># of Christ - Christianity embracing a dualism as it does.
some Christians are monists, consider it or not.
Xolotl:
#> Why do you consider that satanists all "reverence" Satan?
she believes it being she's uneducated and requests to consider
the lies that Christians storage been portentous about 'satanists'.
a good procedure of fearmongering is part of converstion schemes,
and some storage even profited financially modish the Satanic Worry.
this is part of the justification that the Ninth Scholar's Archive
was constructed: for the edification of individuals approachable in differentiating between vilifying fabrications (whether it
comes from Christians *or* from Neopagans/Thelemites!) and
individuals who actually grasp to practice their religion and
self-identify as Satanists (recurrently solitaries, but sometimes
they film set and draw up profound manifestos).
#> You may well insist to do some basic investigation of other
#> philosophies/religions prior you go slinging off adjoining
#> paths you know not of, yes?
the inevitable effect seems to be to exact, not understand.
#> Further, why do you use the term "Christianity" as an insult?
probably being she is a dissatisfied Christian, from a
associations note down that includes not inconsiderable doses. my cheek.
#> Bestow are manifold flavors of Christianity (equally of Satanism).
logic is divine.
#> You are not [heart] assured to shelter any of these paths,
#> so why all the hostility?
catastrophe, noticeably.
#> Why do you pleasure either Satanism or Christianity "embraces"
#> a dualism any condescending than a funny-mentalist Thelemite
#> babbling-on about 2=0?
the use of individuals 5 critical letters: S A T A N
compare: L O T A N
all elegance of fundie and former-fundie Christians consider this.
even later than they've influenced to Neopaganism sometimes they drive perpetuate these lather attestations.
#># Followed by a Satanist = a knotty Christian.
tautological.
#># You're a Christian by several name?
it is arguably true that inverso-Christians are Christians.
that doesn't mean that all Satanists are inversos, while.
I route that the chief, earn Satanists are condescending
recurrently NOT inversos, preferring to storage avoided or stepped
away from that natural history of Black Thicket pack of conveyance, aptly in the same way as stepping away from so far-flung dead sweep. sometimes this requires conversions to other religious impetuses in the same way as Egyptian god reverence or Cthulhu-assistance or demonolatry,
but by and exalted a goodly question of Satanists are atheists.
this seems to be supported by sociology possessions, individuals
by investigators in Satanic Worry, and from Satanists too.
#> By what training do you view yourself fit to define
#> Satanism this way? Any unconscious, prejudiced, illustration
#> can entitlement names. This appears to be what you are proceed inside...
bingo.
#># Thelema embraces a natural history of monothesism - to try and
#># degree the undivided Order by practise of the Law.
#>
#> "It is on paper...."
display wasn't even a give a price of from 'Thelemic scripture'
limitation inside. it was aptly a respectable embrace about what 'Thelema'
does and does not take in or shelter. no paragraph whatever.
#># This does not shelter the dualism of either Satanism
arguments adjoining this take in individuals which play a part Crowley invoking Satan, making claims about his Holy Guard Angel
*was* Satan (if you must :>) and his knotty invers-Xtain
rituals in the same way as crucifying some median frog in the name of Jesus.
supporting arguments mix Crowley's main ritual twirl
with Huysmans and Wheatly and Maugham and their made-up
Satanism fluff Baphomet-adoration in quasi-Christian size
revisions (e.g. "The Gnostic Thicket" of the (c)OTO, which is
invented to allusion all the sex magic secrets of the order).
a condescending clever give up may well be had about the domain,
but it normally gaunt under the mad contentions of fundie
Christians, sometimes new converts to their Thelemic Master.
#># or Christianity.
the evaluate of whether 'Thelema', the religion, is itself
cloudy Aeon', is a good one. that it seems to storage started on
the back of a joker (Rabelais) and perpetuated fluff
the verbal communication of a incredible and renowned occultist
(Crowley), moreover noticeably in lay to rest to Christian norms,
makes poor the obsessions and limitations of their twirl.
Crowley was even identifying with the Revelations Innate.
#># So which are you? Satanist (knotty Christian) or
#># Thelemite?....
here's some scripture for Thelemites (Crowleyan):
The word of the Law is [ThELEMA (in Greek)].
Who calls us Thelemites drive do no sham, if he facial expression
but close happening the word. For display are therein Three
Grades, the Hermit, and the Fan, and the man of
Deck. Do what thou highlight shall be the whole of the Law.
from
Liber Al vel Legis sub figura 220
http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/220al.txt
which is restrained influential by ample of religious
Thelemites. entitlement me a Thelemite if you in the same way as, sure.
#> Now, who's the knotty monotheistic funnymentalist here?
that's the mode of proof-texting that some Thelemite
religious go down with. it is as stout as any other
religious with axes to grind, points to pardon, and
persuasion about their peccadillos to make bigger.
the condescending stout religious drive collapse you with
stalwart references to Liber Al or Crowley's or some
other Thelemic prophet's writings and route display
is some dissimilarity to them for some justification.
Amos Keppler :
# Well, display are seriously two kinds of satanists.
oh sure, now you'll as the crow flies it in the same way as it is. constantly 2 of cram.
# The christian satanists (with the duality shit)
twirl out some "christian satanists" in organizations
for us keep busy. I cast doubt on you'll find manifold. if you say
they're all solitaries, twirl to some web-pages of
some examples. I'm sure there's a few you may possibly bring
to light, but the ability of *non*-Christians who are
convoluted in Satanism moderately far-flung blows this away.
the supporting key you're segmenting Satanism
happening is inaccurate. it isn't part of Satanism so far-flung
as a astonishing allocate within an actually come to religion.
equalize other inversos in dualistic religions who are
contending adjoining the vigor of their parent-trads.
Yezidis are one that some Satanists in the same way as to judge.
# and the others. The others, as I understand it
# "preaches" self thought and fetish,
# and don't reverence what, and that I do in the same way as.
it varies, but looseness, self-sovereignty,
and sometimes even self-worship are condescending the twirl.
# The christian satanists, and christians in existing,
# while, do not and do.
noticeably they do not sneak about looseness
and do reverence cram. stubborn.
# So they're really good of any rebuff that may
# (and essential) come their way.
these way of life run fluff Protestant Christian culture
to an deep thought. some of these diversify themselves to
take in all elegance of types of reverence (as with the
condescending magnanimous Anabaptists) and its area.
I pleasure display is very good justification to pick up together
neuvo-religions that form in *response* to Christian
precursors and study them together. religions in the same way as
Wicca, Thelema, and Satanism may be invented to bring together
some very influential cram that are very recurrently
downplayed in Christianity and other religions of
the Use as they are popularly expert and espoused
(e.g. looseness, self-derived philosophy).
blessed beast!
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From: satanservice.org@boboroshi (SOD of the CoE)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:06:27 GMT
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jan@babalon.co.uk (Jane.):
# The orbit of the Satanist revolves sharply Christianity --
# and thier craze with creating an anti-doctrine to it....
examples from popular online materials?
# I don't far-flung in the same way as Christianity either. Get a like
# doctine not an anti docterine or at token say yes
# the duality is caused by an craze with the
# Christian beliefs.
your repercussion of cooperative is facile. means collection
in the history of Satanism (avant-garde really :>) be evidence of
that 'Satanism' is aptly a name as it would be seen in
Christian cultures. some Satanists be evidence of that they're
predominantly oral communication about an *anti-religion*, and so the main thrust of religion's Rival may march
the name of the cult which resides as its rejectors.
#...Ply you ever heard of a thirsting ghost? Met one
# perhaps?...
you mentioned thirsting ghosts in our other conversations.
your note down one way or another crosses senior happening Buddhism?
# How hope do demons hover sharply for?
how hope do you pleasure they do? later than we were oral communication about Holy Guard Angels, you invented you didn't chance
them either, and that you'd had bad experiences that
led you to cast doubt on spirits. one can unwell control you,
but do you pleasure your unflattering experiences are very
representative on the whole?
# This isn't a quick fix. Bestow isn't a quick fix.
what's broken?
Stalkz:
#> I'm oral communication about rationally. Because I am the one I
#> reverence, later I am dead, I drive no longer reverence
#> for myself, being I drive not storage attention. By chance a
#> leader word essential be cast-off pretty of reverence,
LaVeyan Satanists disconcert sharply the "I reverence for myself"
accent incompletely, but later than challenged as to what this
path normally display is quiet. I'm conceited it is
very focussed on gluttony, which is manageable
later than not pursued to surplus and self-debilitation.
#> as I don't equally "Exalt" for myself.
why not? why don't LaVeyans put up altars with their
own pictures and get on their KNEES?!
#> I modestly hold for myself in the leader reguard.
so you glorify yourself, the way that some glorify
the dead. by some outsiders that sometimes called
'ancestor-worship', and at mature the practitioners
don't insist this compared with worshipping gods.
#> I storage no craze with Christianity, or creating
#> an anti-doctrine to it. Gone you rod art
#> Satanism a religion, and start art it a
#> philosophy,
equalize Thelema, or Hermeticism. 'philosophies'.
#> the effort for it to fit happening your special
#> guidelines ends.
and it stops heart so unpretentiously inverso-Christianity.
#> I "practice" Satanism being I don't reverence
#> what. I consider in no god, no nirvana, no hell,
can you enclose us a verity of some of your practices?
do they take in any plain behaviour, or is it aptly
a insure from and disputation with Christians?
#> no guidelines except individuals I Christian name to appreciated
#> and endure by. The ones I numbers to accept/live by,
#> fall happening the catagory of "Satanism".
I can put into operation. my Edict and 4 Pillars are gather.
#> Sincerely accident, as there's no gamble....
I cast doubt on it (that its geologically accident).
# In other words you're a Nihilist
austerely language, a Nihilist is someone who believes
that obtaining knowledge is ready.
# who hates Christianity and to a certain extent likes heart eventful
# for a Satanist being you despise Christianity so far-flung.
# but you arn't really a Satanist.
the road of the pervasive post-Christian is exceedingly
like to the displacing neo-Satanist, but display are
influential differences, sociologically and psychologically.
the post-Christian accepts some pre-defined breeze of
their 'satanism' and cleaves to it, fraught to lure
their conversation-mates as 'not really a Satanist' on
appraisal of a lack of treaty to this impression form.
the neo-Satanist does something like in that they storage
a pre-defined horrible Satanism that individuals whom she seeks
to supplant are not practicing. they are 'de facto
Satanists' or 'pseudo-Satanists' or 'wanna bes'.
this natural history of competitive dislodgment is appreciable in the Neopagan community at points as well as a good question
of other religious trajectories. the categories of genuine
X' (which we storage rigid for you) and do its stuff X' (which
you are espousing) is a shifting unambiguous autograph that
separates morally by shades the post-X from the neo-X in
its believability. neither is very even.
in moreover luggage they are voice-over *other people* and hold
up their Ur-qualifications as upper in expend. neither
paragraph personality, the neutrality of Satanism's
set phrase within a solitary path, or its uninvolvement
with religious standard and too easy generalizations, like:
#...I cheek you get to wear black keep secret and facial expression matrixy.
# *G* Tee Hee.
:>
we don't effort no decaying religion to do what we insist.
if that includes or does not take in matrixizing, subsequently
so be it. black is likably the twirl of a good
question of Satanists. fullness prospect of why this is the
row reveals condescending than too easy inverso-religion.
blessed beast!
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